Leading to a Flashsideways?

[superhippie2000]

Based on seeing a flashback to Emma deciding to keep Henry could this curse have created an alternate timeline as if the curse never happened? Obviously not exactly like LOSTs sideways where it turned out they were all dead in that version and didnt know it but could this bring everyone back to the point before the curse believing they had a different life in fairytale world? Maybe see if Snow has another child thats not Emma and that someone else could have been the father of Henry? I mean what happened happened and nothing was undone but they dont know that so I wonder if they think something else was different. Could we get fake flashbacks?

[DigificWriter]

No. That flashback was Emma changing her mind about holding Henry before she gave him up for adoption.

People seem to have this misunderstanding about what actually happened at the conclusion of last night's episode that needs to be cleared up:
Pan's Curse never hit.

The 'price' for Regina stopping Pan's Curse - which she did - was that Emma and Henry would lose their memories of their Storybrooke experiences - which would've made Emma and Henry virtual strangers to each other - and that everyone else would be sent back to either the Enchanted Forest or Black-and-White Land.

In order to circumvent Emma and Henry losing their Storybrooke memories, she gave them false memories of having been a family for all of Henry's life.

[superhippie2000]

No. That flashback was Emma changing her mind about holding Henry before she gave him up for adoption.

People seem to have this misunderstanding about what actually happened at the conclusion of last night's episode that needs to be cleared up:
Pan's Curse never hit.

The 'price' for Regina stopping Pan's Curse - which she did - was that Emma and Henry would lose their memories of their Storybrooke experiences - which would've made Emma and Henry virtual strangers to each other - and that everyone else would be sent back to either the Enchanted Forest or Black-and-White Land.

In order to circumvent Emma and Henry losing their Storybrooke memories, she gave them false memories of having been a family for all of Henry's life.

OK so Emma would still give Henry up? Like in the memories Regina gave her? I know in reality it doesnt take away what actually happened but Emma thinks something else happened with the memory Regina gave her. So in Emmas head did she never give Henry up? And will we see like flashbacks of what she thinks happens?

And i know Regina stopped Pans curse but could the mixture of curses have caused something? And if they wont remember Storbrook what do they remember? Do they remember nothing from before like they forgot everything in storybrook and didnt know anything about their lives real or fake before they got there? Or will they now have alternate memories of stuff that happened in fairytale land before or will they just go on from the point they left? And even if its just reginas curse what did that curse do? just undo everything?

oh and about going to other lands if they go back pre curse they would have all been in fairytale land to begin with so they wouldnt go back to those other worlds unless they do so on their own will.

But ya nothing actually changed Im just wondering what everyone else thinks happened and what their alternate flashbacks would be. Like LOST this show gives me a headache lol.

[DigificWriter]

OK so Emma would still give Henry up? Like in the memories Regina gave her? I know in reality it doesnt take away what actually happened but Emma thinks something else happened with the memory Regina gave her. So in Emmas head did she never give Henry up? And will we see like flashbacks of what she thinks happens?

And i know Regina stopped Pans curse but could the mixture of curses have caused something? And if they wont remember Storbrook what do they remember? Do they remember nothing from before like they forgot everything in storybrook and didnt know anything about their lives real or fake before they got there? Or will they now have alternate memories of stuff that happened in fairytale land before or will they just go on from the point they left? And even if its just reginas curse what did that curse do? just undo everything?

oh and about going to other lands if they go back pre curse they would have all been in fairytale land to begin with so they wouldnt go back to those other worlds unless they do so on their own will.

But ya nothing actually changed Im just wondering what everyone else thinks happened and what their alternate flashbacks would be. Like LOST this show gives me a headache lol.

Emma and Henry are the only ones whose Storybrooke experience memories would've been erased. Everybody else still remembers what happened to them.

With regards to Emma and Henry's false memories, they remember having been a family for Henry's entire life, meaning that, in their memories, Emma never gave him up for adoption.

As for what Emma and Henry remember concerning Henry's father, I would not be surprised in the least if Emma's lie about Henry's dad that she told in S1 isn't a lie for them.

[superhippie2000]

Emma and Henry are the only ones whose Storybrooke experience memories would've been erased. Everybody else still remembers what happened to them.

With regards to Emma and Henry's false memories, they remember having been a family for Henry's entire life, meaning that, in their memories, Emma never gave him up for adoption.

As for what Emma and Henry remember concerning Henry's father, I would not be surprised in the least if Emma's lie about Henry's dad that she told in S1 isn't a lie for them.

Oh i thought everyone was going to forget and Regina wanted to give them memories so Henry could have a mother. Which made me wonder how Hook knew Emma. Maybe your right about only them forgetting.

Ya thats what i ment before. May have misworded something but ya.

Hmmm good theory. I could see that happening.

[DigificWriter]

^ The promo for the second half of the season, as well as Hook showing up in New York, prove that only Emma and Henry would have lost their memories of their experiences in Storybrooke.

Regina gave Emma and Henry false memories in order to circumvent the erasure of their Storybrooke experience memories and give them a somewhat happy ending.

[savingpeoplething]

It might not be a FlashSideways, but I'm betting that if Emma has some reconnection with that Dreamcatcher in Neal's apartment, she'll have a flash like the LOST characters did.

And, they definitely used Paradoxical Time Travel. They went back in time to change the past to end up with a different result. I can't decide if I dislike that or HATE it.

[DigificWriter]

^ There was no time travel involved. That scene of Emma holding baby Henry was a flashback. We'd already seen most of it earlier in the season, but they extended it by showing us a piece of it that they hadn't when they showed us it the first time, which is her changing her mind and asking to hold him before she let him go.

[savingpeoplething]

^ There was no time travel involved. That scene of Emma holding baby Henry was a flashback. We'd already seen most of it earlier in the season, but they extended it by showing us a piece of it that they hadn't when they showed us it the first time, which is her changing her mind and asking to hold him before she let him go.

They changed the past. They altered space and time. That's paradoxical time travel.

It's just like Marty McFly altering the past to lead to Biff owning a casino in an Alternate 1985. Elements of the past are there, but the future changed.

[DigificWriter]

They changed the past. They altered space and time. That's paradoxical time travel.

Except they didn't. As I said, that scene of Emma holding baby Henry was a FLASHBACK.

[savingpeoplething]

Except they didn't. As I said, that scene of Emma holding baby Henry was a FLASHBACK.

But, it's an alternate/changed flashback. It's not her REAL life. Even Emma says to Regina that her past won't be real (but, that the future would). The flashback would be real to to this NEW version of Emma and Henry, but it's not REAL to the REAL Emma and Henry, if that makes sense.

I still think it's time travel. Because of what they did, they created an alternate timeline in which Emma doesn't know about Storybrooke, doesn't believe the stories are real, and never found her parents which is significantly different than the original timeline.

To the Alternate 1985 people in Back to the Future Part 2, their past is what they think of their past. To them, it's their legitimate history. But, because we are with Marty, we know it's not the REAL story and we know he needs to CORRECT it.

They played around with the same scenario on LOST. Do they use Jughead to go back in time to make it so that Oceanic 815 DOESN'T crash? What would happen if they do? But, LOST had a better set of rules for all of that so it was easier to understand.

I doubt Once Upon A Time will try to treat it like BTTF, but in my opinion, it's pretty much the same thing. Instead of trying to correct the past, they'll just keep the mindwiped characters and their life and just try to get them to remember so that their new "future" will be revealed as "false".

Good Grief. I HATE mindwipes and amnesia with a PASSION.

[DigificWriter]

But, it's an alternate/changed flashback.

No, it's not.

I still think it's time travel. Because of what they did, they created an alternate timeline in which Emma doesn't know about Storybrooke, doesn't believe the stories are real, and never found her parents which is significantly different than the original timeline.

To the Alternate 1985 people in Back to the Future Part 2, their past is what they think of their past. To them, it's their legitimate history. But, because we are with Marty, we know it's not the REAL story and we know he needs to CORRECT it.

They played around with the same scenario on LOST. Do they use Jughead to go back in time to make it so that Oceanic 815 DOESN'T crash? What would happen if they do? But, LOST had a better set of rules for all of that so it was easier to understand.

I doubt Once Upon A Time will try to treat it like BTTF, but in my opinion, it's pretty much the same thing. Instead of trying to correct the past, they'll just keep the mindwiped characters and their life and just try to get them to remember so that their new "future" will be revealed as "false".

Good Grief. I HATE mindwipes and amnesia with a PASSION.

Time travel doesn't exist in the Once-verse. Adam and Eddy have repeatedly stated this.

[savingpeoplething]

Do you have a link to Adam and Eddy talking about that? I'd be interested to see what you're referring to. Especially, for a show that is called Once Upon A TIME that has used time standing still and time magically moving FORWARD after standing still.

If you're manipulating time, isn't time travel possible? And, traveling through portals (which are basically wormholes)? Isn't that manipulating space? Using wormholes are associated with time travel theories, right?

But, if they talk about it and hit it down, I guess I'll go with that.

[spotteddog]

There are two events here. Recently we saw an episode where Regina adopting Henry was shown. Regina felt that she couldn't handle a baby, so she brought Henry back to the adoption agency. But before she left, Regina picked up baby Henry one more time, and realized she wanted to keep him. No changes there because we had never seen the adoption of Henry before.

Now in previous episodes we have seen Emma give birth to Henry but refuse to hold him, and Emma gives up Henry. Regina changed Emma's memories of that time, and she now remembers that she kept Henry and she and Henry now remember a life where they were always together. Was the past changed? No, just how Emma and Henry remember the past.

But on the subject of time travel, it has been said on the show that portals can jump through realms, space, and time.

[savingpeoplething]

Was the past changed? No, just how Emma and Henry remember the past.

That's what I still don't agree with or understand. The past WAS changed. The past has now become something else in the eyes of the viewer. But, I can agree that for Emma and Henry, the "new" past is what their past has always been.

But on the subject of time travel, it has been said on the show that portals can jump through realms, space, and time.

Actually, now that I think about it some more, they already acknowledged time travel on this show, given Regina literally reaching into the past through Jefferson's hat to get the poisoned apple in 1x21.

I'm just surprised nobody is really talking about this. Maybe I'm interested in this because I hate what they've done so much that thinking about Time Travel is the only way in that I can consider any of this to be fun to discuss.