Lois a bad reporter

[ginevrakent]

I never said his anti vigilante stance was new, it clearly wasnt. But being anti-vigilante is not a crime, vigilantism actually is a crime and him speaking out against it is expressing his opinion as a radio talk show host. Lois as a reporter should have done more research regardless of what she found, she should have done the work and searched for the truth, not for the truth she is interested in telling.

Do you have any proof Lois didn't do her homework only to find exactly what she expected to find?

[borednow]

Does he know it was a lie? Have they stepped forward to reveal it is a lie and that they are just normal people like everybody else? You cant call someone out for lying when nobody knows the damn truth. That is like calling 14th century Spaniards liars because they thought the earth was flat or that the earth was the center of the universe.

Claiming a fact when there is no evidence is a lie.
He had no evidence other than that they hide to call them hideously deformed. In fact there is tons of evidence of the past "freaks" to show that is not the general case for the super powered at all.

And what evidence do you know Godfrey has that the vigilante's are all good? You don't know anything he has or what has influenced his opinion. Cat last week had a picture of apparent vigilante's torturing someone and that could have influenced their opinions, even Oliver didnt know where the picture came from.
Refering to superpowered beings as freaks is not a lie it is an opinion; it has been used in Smallville numerous times before as well as in X-men. Godfrey is a bigot but being a bigot is protected under the constitution.

What evidence did he have that they were evil? Saying we can't trust that they are all good and they should come out of the shadows is one thing, however that wasn't actually the argument he was making.

Those pictures were of Oliver getting beaten... so vigilante on vigilante violence... anyway the point is Godfrey wasn't making a logic based argument, other wise what he said would be debatable, he was making an appeal to fear and fighting that with adhominim is fine with me.

[jbshmdfb]

I never said his anti vigilante stance was new, it clearly wasnt. But being anti-vigilante is not a crime, vigilantism actually is a crime and him speaking out against it is expressing his opinion as a radio talk show host. Lois as a reporter should have done more research regardless of what she found, she should have done the work and searched for the truth, not for the truth she is interested in telling.

So she should have waited until the guy exposed Green Arrow identity to the world in a bad way? Affecting her family, herself as well, she should have waited instead of protecting her family and friends?

[Dyanara]

It was the suicide squat and most likely torturing heroes like Olivier since it was the place Rickflag had tortured Oliver, that's how he find him.

I am very much aware of that, but does Cat know that? Does Godfrey? Do the other millions of people who live in Metropolis? They are just supposed to take these nameless faceless, sometimes criminals, actions at face value and not question it? Questioning things is how we better ourselves and society as a whole.
Also there is the fact that superpowere Kandorians who burned symbols into varous monuments across the world were running wild last season. How did that affect Godfrey and others? Why is it such a bad thing for them to want answers to their questions and doubts, and why is it ok for people like Lois to want to silence them?

[Degobunny]

I'm curious about something. Both of you seem very confident that if Lois had researched Godfrey in more detail, she would have discovered his anti-vigilante stance was brand new and his depraved after hours activities were new as well. Do you have proof or are you just guessing?

Unless Lois was not good at researching if she had done an a satifactory background check then she would have at least curious that a guy concernend with illegal immigration is suddenly against vigilantes saving the city. Plus the way he was talking to her about being pure of heart and possesing her would at least make one question the guys sanity and do further investigating before handing a story over to the tabloids.

[Dyanara]

Do you have any proof Lois didn't do her homework only to find exactly what she expected to find?

Do you have any proof that she did?

[borednow]

It's okay to want answers and have doubts. Lois didn't silence him for demanding answers. She silenced him for A) Spreading bald face hate filled lies. and B) Threatening her friends and family by outing Oliver's secret.


anyway I'm out of this thread it's making me too angry to be reasonable any-more, and if Godfrey had been reasonable Lois wouldn't have had to do anything at all. Also... if Godfrey's argument had been based on anything impugning his moral character wouldn't have done anything. Just a thought. toodles.

[jbshmdfb]

I am very much aware of that, but does Cat know that? Does Godfrey? Do the other millions of people who live in Metropolis? They are just supposed to take these nameless faceless, sometimes criminals, actions at face value and not question it? Questioning things is how we better ourselves and society as a whole.
Also there is the fact that superpowere Kandorians who burned symbols into varous monuments across the world were running wild last season. How did that affect Godfrey and others? Why is it such a bad thing for them to want answers to their questions and doubts, and why is it ok for people like Lois to want to silence them?

Lois didn't go after people who had questions, she went after a guy who went after heroes and planned to expose them (true identity and all) all to the world as evil people.

[cksidekick]

Even if Lois went back and looked and saw Godfrey only started his campaign 3 weeks ago... why should she assume it had anything to do with being possessed? People grab hot topics and try to make a name for themselves at the top with them all the time! They may not even have strong opinions on them really! They just find a hot button issue take a strong stance and scream it at the top of their lungs. It happens all the time!

Part two: Who the hell cares? ... Lois has the inside scoop on the vigilantes! That is what that means! She knows them! She isn't siding with her friends without knowing what they are doing! She is siding with them after having been repeatedly saved by them and seeing the good they do and knowing the good they want to do! Lois has the story! She knows they are good guys and that Godfrey was WRONG! Godfrey was doing nothing but spreading vicious lies to stir up peoples emotions and Lois was willing to be civil at first until he called the Blur a mutated freak afraid to come out of the shadows and show it's hideous face. That was one bald face lie too many for Lois. As far as I am concerned he deserved to have his reputation crushed!

Lois is sitting on a story that would offer the public a great deal of relief. Let's remember, at the end of the day, Clark will reveal Kal-El of Krypton to the world because it's the right thing to do.

Mutant is the only word the public has to guess where their powers come from. He certainly overplayed his knowledge of what they look like. Clark could be a deformed ghastly figure as far as anyone knows. TRUTH would solve the problem and fast.

Yeah, hypocrisy has often been found in those who proclaim just the same. I'm not convinced a pre-Darkseid Godfrey was a spotless lamb.

Spotless lamb?

Is that really the line in the sand he would have to cross? The standard to be measured by?

[jbshmdfb]

It's okay to want answers and have doubts. Lois didn't silence him for demanding answers. She silenced him for A) Spreading bald face hate filled lies. and B) Threatening her friends and family by outing Oliver's secret.


anyway I'm out of this thread it's making me too angry to be reasonable any-more, and if Godfrey had been reasonable Lois wouldn't have had to do anything at all. Also... if Godfrey's argument had been based on anything impugning his moral character wouldn't have done anything. Just a thought. toodles.

ITA.

[Dyanara]

So she should have waited until the guy exposed Green Arrow identity to the world in a bad way? Affecting her family, herself as well, she should have waited instead of protecting her family and friends?

It wasn't protecting anything. Oliver himself said to leave it the he11 alone and Lois being to hardheaded and thinking she knows whats best for everybody went against him. It affects Oliver not her! Which is why in the end all her efforts were for nothing because she did what she wanted instead of listening to the person who was actually going to be exposed by Godfrey.
And what kind of bull crap is this protecting, you dont discredit another person to protect somebody else. If she wanted to protect Oliver she should have done her own peice on the Green Arrow, instead she acted like a highschool bully, looking into how to shut her competition up.

[Sarevokcz]

Unless Lois was not good at researching if she had done an a satifactory background check then she would have at least curious that a guy concernend with illegal immigration is suddenly against vigilantes saving the city.

It was not "sudden." Please, watch the beginning of the episode.

Plus the way he was talking to her about being pure of heart and possesing her would at least make one question the guys sanity and do further investigating before a handing a story over to the tabloids.

She could have just have a concussion and not remember that or just assumed he was nuts.
But it would be cool, if she started her investigations, too bad it wouldn't lead anywhere, just like the Checkmate plot/aliens on Earth plots last season, and was just swept under the rug.

[Dyanara]

Lois didn't go after people who had questions, she went after a guy who went after heroes and planned to expose them (true identity and all) all to the world as evil people.

Again, isnt this the same thing Lois wanted to do in S 6 or 7? AND AGAIN!!!! Exposing vigilante's is not against the law, vigilantism is. Godfrey was doing nothing wrong, he was going to tell the world who GA is and give his opinion on him. Oliver could have come forward, say I am GA and then showed the world Godfrey was wrong about him, that he is not a bad person. Which is essentially what happened when Oliver took the bull by the horns and told everyone who he was in the first place.
What Lois did was only a few steps lower than the crap Chloe and Lana pulled to protect Clark's secret. She didn't kill anybody or torture them, but she took the same route only less violent.

[jbshmdfb]

It wasn't protecting anything. Oliver himself said to leave it the he11 alone and Lois being to hardheaded and thinking she knows whats best for everybody went against him. It affects Oliver not her! Which is why in the end all her efforts were for nothing because she did what she wanted instead of listening to the person who was actually going to be exposed by Godfrey.
And what kind of bull crap is this protecting, you dont discredit another person to protect somebody else. If she wanted to protect Oliver she should have done her own peice on the Green Arrow, instead she acted like a highschool bully, looking into how to shut her competition up.

It is affecting her. Infamous showed that when a superhero comes out with his real identity it affects everyone around them. It also why she told Clark, Kara should find a disguise because what she did puts him in danger as well.

[Degobunny]

It was not "sudden." Please, watch the beginning of the episode.


She could have just have a concussion and not remember that or just assumed he was nuts.
But it would be cool, if she started her investigations, too bad it wouldn't lead anywhere, just like the Checkmate plot/aliens on Earth plots last season, and was just swept under the rug.

Actually it was sudden. He said nothing one or the other about vigilantes until Darkseid got to him.